solved Tag Creation @ item create/update form

I feel like item Tag creation should be done at the item create or update form page. Also should be for item owner or admin only (I haven't fully tested this part yet because both my sites are in Maintenance mode and I use master_admdin and profile_admin accounts to test currently).

I think that would tighten up the item list under the details_page of content a bit.

Just a thought.
Brian

updated by @ilovehousemusic: 04/20/14 12:27:26PM

Now that I think of it, maybe the code to add tags is only visible to item owner or admins, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Thanks!

It sounds like what you want is a keywords setup more than tags - you should be able to do this by adding a custom form field on the create/update form, then only item owners could create/update "tags".

The current tag module is really designed to enhance the discovery of items on a site by allowing users to tag items with keywords that can help them show up in a search better.

Hope this helps!


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Brian Johnson
Founder and Lead Developer - Jamroom
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@brian - So, a person that does not own the content item, can tag it? What if a user is abusing that and tagging whack terms on other people's items?

That's correct - If you are worried that people will abuse the tags, make sure the "Allowed to Add Tags" quota setting is checked only for users in a quota you trust (maybe reviewers, admins, etc).

Hope this helps!


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Brian Johnson
Founder and Lead Developer - Jamroom
https://www.jamroom.net

Hmmm ok I suppose I could remove it for the basic member quota, but then they wont be able to tag content that I've configured them to upload/import (youtube, photos, etc)

I think it would be more intuitive to allow tagging from the item owner and admins. It just seems more "normal".

I guess another way to resolve that would be a granular configuration of what quota can be "allowed to add tags" and then a way to specify what modules they can add tags to (audio, video, blogs, etc)
updated by @ilovehousemusic: 03/17/14 10:13:21AM

As an example, on SoundCloud - I can't just go and tag someone else's music with tags I feel are appropriate. They might consider that not even related. What's "funky" to me might not be "funky" to someone else.

Tags are user generated navigation. The idea is generally that you crowdsource your navigation and allow the crowd to make prominent the items/profiles/pages that are important to them. Take a look at how tagging works on the major services.

If you just need the owner and admins to do that, use multiple category fields.

That's the idea of tags. You don't get to define what is funky, the crowd does, and the crowd may have a different opinion to you.


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updated by @ultrajam: 03/17/14 10:48:47AM

May I ask which ones you're referring to?

My frame of reference is SoundCloud (owner tags items only) But, I see what you're saying and it does make more sense.

Bah - no worries - I'll close this out. Thanks!

Does last.fm do that the other way around to soundcloud? I don’t use either so hopefully someone else can comment, I’d love to know.

Flickr, Jamroom.net, Delicious, Facebook (I’m told you tag photos, and the profile owner approves, but the tag is still marked with the tag of the tagger - the tag persists even if not accepted, just hidden from view?)
Amazon? maybe no longer, I’ve read that tagging was/going to be replaced with wishlists and similar (ie folksonimic tagging became hidden from the folk who produce it, now only accessible by the corporation running it).

The idea of a folksonomy is important (as are it’s possible downfalls):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_bookmarking#Folksonomy

Currently, many people are tagging satellite photos (items which the tagger does not own) looking for missing MH370 plane debris:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/14/tomnod-online-search-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370
I think photo tagging is enormous. As (potentially) is tagging tangible items - internet of things crap.

Folksonomic tagging didn’t go away, but in current common usage the crowd no longer see the data as a tag cloud: You can do the same with jr5 - make the tag cloud in the sidebar only visible to the admin user or by subscription. So actually the major services are facebook, twitter, google, apple, microsoft, etc (that etc list is much shorter if you assume that your private tagging data will always remain private and/or unconnected to the other person’s item, lol, rofl, and longer if you include entities which are not intended to be brands ).


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