where the heck is "include profile_header.tpl"

ive been looking through the templates ..all the ones that make any sence to look in trying to find the include profile header template and cant find it
i want to add code like but changed to header obviosly and then in the groups template under the {disable_peofile_sidebar} add a disable profile hesder
(actualy i do think sdimply disabling the header effectively disables the sidebar as well since thats where i found the include sidebar

i just cant seem to find where the include profile headers set up so i can use a simular method to disable both at once for the groups

ofcourse i know iu know where it is and know that this is what we want..i was just hoping i could do it for you...
but alas i cant find the include profile header statement annywhere ive looked



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updated by @soaringeagle: 07/09/16 09:21:02AM

the profile_header.tpl is not "included" by another template - it is process directly from within the Profile module. It processes:

header.tpl
profile_header.tpl
(the next template varies depending on the item/module)
profile_footer.tpl
footer.tpl

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updated by @brian: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

thats what i thought
well can you add a way in the profile module to turn off the profile head within groups
in since the head has the include sidebar i think..but might be wrong.. that that would disable the sidebar too

the groups really need both disabled
ill take a look later see if i cant figure it out and post a solution
but i think your saying its in the php right


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

Why is that? Are groups not created by a user initially? Even on Ning I see that profiles have "groups" and it's not hidden that the group "belongs" to the profile.

You would have to customize the profile_header.tpl and have it check the $_post.option value - i.e.


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updated by @brian: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

groups on ning have a little created by link they dont have the whole profile menu
they donthave the 'follow' that follows the profile not the group the groups stand alone on thier own and in fact when the profile that created the group leaves the site the group remains because a group is for a group odf people not for the profile owner alone as a fan club they are practicly stand alone sites within a site

now on jr that isnt possible everything has to be within a profile.. but it shiouldnt look like it is
yes there can be a created by link to the creators profile but the header and sidebar that make it part of a profile shgould be gone
i also alow a profile cover image .. wich doesnt belong on the groups

if the groups are to have a menu it should be a group not profile menu

the ning 3.0 groups are amazing the 1 thing they did well
that can have multiple forums blogs galleries pages all within a group ..like having a sitebuilder site within the group itself

now i dont expect a group anything like ning 3 anytime soon as it is now they are alot like ning 2 groups if you just remove the profile header as well as sidebar.. then they are just like ning 2 groups

6 months from now if u feekl ambitios and want to really take it to the next level you can try to build ning 3.0 like groups .. that is the 1 single thing that had n ingt users excited and willing to stay despite all the nonsence
ning 3.0 groups were a game changer

but for now we will be perfectly happy with jr groups with the profile hheader gone


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

You'll have to forgive me, since I know you're trying to make Jamroom look just like your Ning Site, but since your users are going to be transitioning to your "new" site (i.e. going from Ning -> Jamroom) wouldn't it be a good time to change other things that might need to be changed?

I definitely understand having no header on the "site forum" but for groups this just doesn't seem like it should be an issue. Just my 2 cents of course, but it seems like you're spending a lot of effort trying to bend Jamroom to look more like Ning when you could use it as an opportunity to roll out something new


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updated by @brian: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

ning 2 group http://www.dreadlockssite.com/group/rainbowfamilydreadies
note theres a small created by at the top .. small beingkey with just a send message and view users other groups link
theres a editable text area to add any personilization you want to the group then discussions with a finite number shown and pagination and then comment wall again only so many shown then pagination

3.0 groups note this was a beta test site the groups are just test groups but u see the flexibility
http://ww3.dreadlockssite.com/groups/photography

and
http://ww3.dreadlockssite.com/groups
the groups listing alows groups to be grouped into catagories

within each group you can have dozens of forums witrh dozens of forum categories each dozens odf blogs with dozens of categories dozens of photo galleries with dozens of vcategories (dozens really mneans unlimmited except the categories wich i think were limited to 50)

ning 3 groups were simply amazing

but thats something that willktake a whole lot of time and effort to develop into jr so im just showing u as an example of whnat u might want to consider way down the road ..maybe in jr 6
its a huuuuge upgrade from the ning 2 groups...huge

but ..for now wed be perfectly content with just the header hidden.. thats it.. and a follow link to follow group..not profile activity

those 2 lil changes (and me fixing a few of my issues and completing a few of my plans) is all we need to go live even without a perfected site builder


at least thats my opinion of and the rethinking of the photo page titleing like iposted yesterday

the ning to jr projects nearly there.. i mean nearlty to the point of being a usable complete package .. ofcourse it can be improved on ..but you should be damn proud of what u have accomplished in such a short time

im goingto post a what i think needsto be tweaked to have a finished product post


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

i agree and disagree i absolutely am rolling out somethijg new
but
the groups really make much more sence to be more a stand alone thing they have aleways been used as a site within a site
wich in a way yes jr profiles do behave somewhat like a site within a site wich is something new and exciting but the groups ,,
well
although started by 1 belong to all
if that makes it clearer

like ok i started a lgbt dreadies group i am neighter l g b or 2 (not narrow minded but straight) i made the group to be all inclusive of our members who are lgbt
but having my profile header and sidebar and everything makes it look like hey im gay get used to it when im not i just simply created the group for those who are

its thier group... not mine.. i just put it together for them


now do u see why the groups shouldnt appear to be part of a profile just strarted by 1 but thier own seperate entity


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thank you thank you thank you the results were absolute perfection

im going to post a tip as to exact way i did it
and ill bet ya that all the other ning transferees are going to agree it should be built in

but .. its absolutely perfect now im so happy



you guys really are the best


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

Well seems like I missed some solution here. ??
But again, we were all already discussing this in two other threads here on this forum- too scattered!
But here is the problem:


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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

look in the tips section i posted an easy to follow way to make it work

and if u agree it should be the default then add your vote to the tip


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

Brian,
Some of my longtime groups were created by long-gone members, so all those links to their stuff along the top of their group will be dead links. And when my members hit "follow" they thinkl they are following the GROUP activities,, but in reeality they now follow that creator member of the group- not good. They'll click on "videos" at top, expecting to see the Group's videos, but instead they'll go to someone's personal profile.
Right now there is no way to 'follow' a group and get notified of new posts or discussions and activities happening in the group.
The links to the Group's creator and links to all their personal content is confusing and not wanted. People are interested in the Group and its subject matter- not in the person who created the group (who may have left the site years ago anyway).
As SE says, the group needs to stand alone and have links to 'follow' the GROUP and be notified of new activity within the group. If anything, maybe it could have a tiny link in some corner saying "group created by ____" but as it is now the group creator is up front and almost more important than the group itself. Thanks!



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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

agree strum you'll kiss me after u use my fix but it still doesnrt add the follow group activity

follow group activity is important but not on my list of must haves b4 going live
my must have list is alot shorter then i realized in fact


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

To compound this issue, I now realize that any new comment etc posted in a group that appears on the main page Timeline/Activity feed does not indicate where the comment was posted nor have a link to go see the post or comment. See my thread called "Suggestion for the Timeline" that I just updated with this issue.
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SE, I've been looking at your code solution for the personal profile info being so overwhelming in each group, but I do feel almost all Ning creators will find this to be something they must change, and for the Ning Bundle I feel it really should be default. It's not a small detail as you'll have dozens of people month after month (for all eternity) getting thrown onto some long departed member's defunct profile page every time they click to try and go see what they think is the GROUP's videos and discussions etc.
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SE, is there some solution that Brian suggested that I'm not seeing?
When you said "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thank you thank you thank you the results were absolute perfection"- it sounded like Brian made a solution suggestion? Where/what is Brian's suggestion for solving this issue?
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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

it was exactly what i posted in my tip except in typical brian fashion he didnt give an answer but a clue to an answer that was all i needed to figure it out myself
it was
so what this says in english is if the page is not a group show the header info
you wrap the entire header info in that code in the iff statement

ifs can be nested meaning ifs inside iffs
so u put the 1st part above the div class container and the closing if just above the veery last row
that says only show the header when your not on a group page


the codes are really pretty simple when you figure out what the lil peices do

sometimes getting the syntax right...,or how it should be writtehn takes trial and error.. then asking for help

but u see the actual codes so simple.. if not != means not equal) on group show everything inside the if
otherwise do nothing since theres no else...in otherwords.. dont show the header


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

Actually, exactly the opposite.

if not != means equal

if != means not equal

Smarty does make things simple, but you still need to get those things right. The alternative is wasting hours until realising that you have made a typo or an incorrect assumption.


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updated by @ultrajam: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

well there was a missing ( it meant to read if not equal and (!= means not equal)
i had the sytax right just the ( was missing making that a sub part of the statement


but your right a typo cajndrive u insane

i originaly was tought assembler cobolt and fortran on a mainframe where youd write thousands of lines of code just to get it to print a report saying "this is a report' and a missing , or a , instead of a . would cause a crash and system dump then you have to sift through thousands of lines of hex code translating it into charachters to find the issue

i was so glad i broke my back and severed my spine and was saved from having to do that as a career!


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

You proofreading typos for a living? Um, maybe not the best career counseling... ;D


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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

well thats the thing my disability makes for alot more typods as i only have 1 finger to type with and a very fast mind that my finger cant keep up with
so before that i didnt typo as much
plus... i sleep so lil and have a thyroid issue (mostly better now so my brain doesnt feel like jello sloshing around inside my skull anymore)

so running onempty with a soggy brain doesnt help

plus i spend sooooooooooooooooo muchtyme helping people online that my last keyboard had exactly 6 keys that u could tell what letters they were
this 1 only has 5 blank keys..but its also a 1/2 sized keyboard wich doesnt help (i will never use a smart phone those things are so dumb i can never get them to do anything i want them to do cause always hit something i shouldnt)

youd be amazedat how fast i can type though with 1 finger blurry eyes and so tired the keys are mocving around while i try to click them


believe me before i started letting myself sleep at sunrise id be up 4 days straight and then my typing was so bad..and i babbled so incoherently that i often cracked up just trying to figure out what i just said

havent been that bad in yearstho...not often anyway
only when dealling with a life and death situation and pushing myself way past my limits to save someones life..

oh..and the agony..tendonitis..corporal tuunnel and now a torn rotator cuff
all because ppl kee;p me so busy and i work so many hours

i push myself way beyond my limits


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

You probably wore out another keyboard just in that last post.


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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

many of your posts are twice as long


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

was that pint to prove a point or did u type a very long 1 realize how long it was and replace it with a period


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updated by @soaringeagle: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM

It was a joke. To post the shortest. post. ever.




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We'll check this out.

Thanks!


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I have just tested this here and don't see any issues - see my attached image. The @brian links to my profile, and the other blue links point to the comment I made on the Group (bottom on), on a Group Discussion (middle one) and Group Page (top one).

Hope this helps!


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updated by @brian: 12/29/14 12:24:05PM

Great, 'cause that's quite important if people are to go check out new activity on the site!...especially since we cannot currently 'follow' a Group and be email-notified of new activity within the group.

Thank you!

oops cross-posted. I will make a screen shot on my own site now...brb.


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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 12:25:41PM

See my response above ^


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D'oh! I didn't want to use one of my current groups for the test since it might send an email notification to some member (that happened already once!).... so I decided to create a quick Test Group and post to it to show you....
only I can't for the life of me figure out where to Create and New Group...!!
I feel so DUMB today!
Where do I create a new Group (or a new Event for that matter?) Just not seeing it anywhere! ughhhhh....helllllpp.....


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You can create a new group from your profile - click on "Groups" and you will see the + sign for creating a new group (this is how all modules work too). See my screenshot.

Hope this helps!


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updated by @brian: 12/29/14 12:49:18PM

havent tested but a question when a link in activity says so and so commented on ...forum post link does that link tiake you to the forum post head or to the comment posted as a reply

just asking cause if the post has 150 pages of replies youd want the link to link to the last comment on page 150..the 1 just made not the post itself or ideally "commented' should link to the commentr and in 'post title' link to the full post


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OMG....totally missed that how to create new groups or events!! THANK YOU BRIAN. (whew!)

OK, so what I thought was a problem is NOT A PROBLEM after all.
It's just that what i was seeing on the timeline were comments on people's profiles...so their profile links were showing...as the location of the item.
Just made a test group and everything is showing and linking properly on the main page Timeline...YAY!


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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 01:04:48PM

Good point SE- we have discussion threads with HUNDREDS of replies...you'd definitely want to be taken to the new post, not to the beginning of a 35 page long forum thread. I can't test that right now though.


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This is easy - we have anchors for the items on the page so it is just a URL update.


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so...do we have to do anything?


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No - we can update the action item_action.tpl file to link directly to the comment (I thought it already did but will check it).

Thanks!


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well like i said the titles fine linking to the post itself the word commented can be linked to the comment that was posted


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for that matter when a catagory or gallery is specified maybe a posted a comment (link to comment) on (link to title) in (link to categorty or gallery)


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