How to edit and translate genres and Categories?

Hello,

It might sound stupid but for hours, I have been trying to figure out how to edit Genres and Category.

I have entered a genre while uploading an Audio file. Now I need to edit it. How to do it?

Also, instead of creating genres when uploading audio files, I would like to create pre-set list of genres that will already be there in the system and users can select from it. I know that the form designer will probably handle it but my question is how to create that list on genres, including the existing genres I created earlier when uploading the audio file? Because when i try to create genres using the form designer, that first genre I created is not there. Please help.

Also, how to translate Genres and Categories. We will be running a multilingual website and I would like the genres to get translated when the site language version changes.

Thanks
updated by @pch: 08/14/16 07:09:03PM

When you modify the audio file, you'll see there is a field for the genre that we call "select and text" - you can either:

- pick an EXISTING genre from the select list
- or enter a NEW one in the text field.

So in this case you would just enter the new genre you want to use in the text field.

There is no multi-lingual support for genres or categories - these values are USER CONTENT so are not translatable (outside of using something like Google Translate).


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Brian Johnson
Founder and Lead Developer - Jamroom
https://www.jamroom.net

Hi Brian,

Thanks for your reply. But it seems you didn't understand my question.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I would like:

1) To modify (edit) an existing genre, not to enter a new one. e.g. When uploading a audio file, I created a genre called "Song". Later, I would like to edit and rename the same genre to "Music".

2) To create a set (list) of genres/categorie at once, ready for the next use, instead of creating them one by one when uploading new audio files. Now the problem is when trying to create a list of genres using the Form Designer, the first genre I created earlier when uploading my previous audio file, is not there. So, how to create a list of genre using form designer that will include/incorporate the existing genre?

Also thanks for your reply confirming that there is no multi-lingual support for genres or categories.

Here is a scenario:

We have one audio meeting recording (in english), the same meeting file was translated/interpreted later to Spanish and many other languages.

In JR, we added the English version of this file into a genre called "meeting". We would like to add the Spanish version of the very same meeting recording. Should we create a new genre/category called: "reunión" (which the word "meeting in spanish")?

Please give me your opinion, a good approach of handling this scenario.

Thanks

Yep - I understood you - how I outlined it is how it works. It's important to understand that genres don't live on their own - they are part of the data for a song. So to CHANGE a genre, just enter the new genre you want that song to use and it will be changed. There's no "editing" of genres.


You would just to make sure the existing genres are present in the OPTIONS for the select and text field (directions on doing that are in the HELP drop down for the options field in the form designer).


Yeah I think you could do it that way - the key here is understanding that the genre for an audio item is another piece of data on the audio item (just like the title, length, etc) - it does not live separately from the audio item, so if you need different genres they will need to be entered as options in the form designer (if you want them to pre-exist for users to select from).

Let me know if that helps.


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Brian Johnson
Founder and Lead Developer - Jamroom
https://www.jamroom.net

Well, by entering a new genre while uploading an audio file, will it replace (modify/update) the old genre or will it create a new one (a separate one)?

So, How to completely delete/remove an existing genre created when uploading a file, if I don't want it to show in the system or to be used by users anymore?

As genres are part of the data for a song and as song titles can be edited, genres should have been editable too. Maybe the Dev Team should have thought about it (Just a suggestion).


I must confess that i understood anything of your reply. it seems to me that right now, there is no way for the Form Design to pick an existing genre and to add it to the list of genre that will be created. right? (I am just trying to understand).

So, the only solution should probably be to delete the single genre created while uploading an audio file and create a list of pre-exist genre. Now, how to delete a genre as asked earlier?


Will it make any sens having genre or category duplication? If a site has 4 languages installed, it will end up having a lot of genres: 4 genres, one for each language version.

Also, e.g. some words like "conference" in english is still "conférence" in french. We will end up have 2 "conference" genres/categories. That will confuse and mislead users.

Running a multilingual JR site is more challenging than I thought. Also it has so many technical limitation right now. Hope things will be improved in future Developments.

Thanks

The only thing that created is the song which will have the genre you selected (or entered) as one of it's data keys.

If you want to go back and CHANGE existing genres, you can modify the songs and change the genres. If you need to do it in bulk use the Batch Editor module.

There is no such thing as "deleting" a genre - every song will have a genre, and the genre will no longer exist once there are no more songs using it.

There are no plans to change how that works.


True - that is what you would get.


Like I mentioned earlier - trying to provide multi-lingual content is going to be a challenging issue for you - I'm not aware of any CMS's that handle that, but it might be worth looking for alternatives (or find a way to integrate Google translate) as there are no plans to move in that direction with Jamroom.

Jamroom's multilingual support works great for all areas that are NOT content created by a user (i.e. menu entries, etc.).


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Brian Johnson
Founder and Lead Developer - Jamroom
https://www.jamroom.net

Thank you Brian.