solved What's the difference between a profile admin, a master admin and a power user?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the difference between a user and a profile. But the main thing I want to know right now is what is the difference between a profile admin, a master admin and a power user?

How do their respective super powers work?

In non-technical language please.
Thank you.
Deb
updated by @icw: 05/31/16 10:40:25AM

A link to some docs

Docs: "Concepts the Admin User Needs to Know"
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/documentation/getting-started/2167/concepts-the-admin-user-needs-to-know

Docs: "Profile"
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/documentation/using-jamroom/2984/profile

Docs: "User"
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/documentation/using-jamroom/2982/user

Docs: "Quota"
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/documentation/using-jamroom/2985/quota

If you still have questions after taking a look at those, let me know how they need to be improved and I'll work on them.

Hi Michael.... this was very helpful, especially the video on the "Concepts" page. So I think I still have some questions for you (and more may come as we refine our quotas, etc.)

Here's the first question: We want to designate certain users as "hosts". Their primary duty is to welcome new members to the site. in order to do this on a timely basis, they will need to receive notifications when a new member joins.

So how should we set up these hosts? Do you think they need to be profile admins or Master admins? (we don't want to give them too much access... they aren't responsible to making any changes to profiles or users or anything else "behind the curtain").

Should we set them up as a separate quota? Or keep them in the regular member quota? (they won't be posting anything that regular members can't post)

Set your 'hosts' up as Profile Admins. They'll then get emails when members join and be able to welcome them. Bear in mind that they'll also have access to all other profile details and content so they can also act a 'moderators' if need be.
No need for them to have a special quota (unless you want them to, of course) - as Master Admin, just go to their user account page and set them as Profile Admins.
hth


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Paul Asher - JR Developer and System Import Specialist

Thanks Paul.... no way to set them up with notifications without giving them those extra powers (such as the power to delete a profile). I just want to be sure...

Deb

Hi Deb - How do your hosts welcome new users?


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Paul Asher - JR Developer and System Import Specialist

When we were on the Ning, they would get a notification that a new member had joined. Then they would go to their profile page and post a comment... saying hello, introducing themselves if someone has questions and suggesting things they may want to check out on the website.

Yes it is possible to send a notification to those guys without making them profile admins, but it would require a module to be made to do the sending.

You would either use the form designer to add another checkbox field on the profiles that was only visible to the admin users to make/un-make them as a welcomer "hosts".

Then the module part. 90% of it is covered in this doc:

Docs: "Creating a Module"
https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/documentation/development/26/creating-a-module

The other 10% that isn't covered is inside the 'signup_activated' listener you will have to get a list of all the members with that checkbox field as active and direct the emails to them.

Deb - Checkout the latest AutoFollow module - https://www.jamroom.net/the-jamroom-network/networkmarket/287/auto-follow
If you configure it so that your 'Host' profiles are automatically followed by new users, they can get a notification email about that so they will know about new users without being Profile Admins.
hth


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Paul Asher - JR Developer and System Import Specialist

Paul, I can't wait to check this new module out!
I have 6 profile admins/moderators on my site. But I also have a group of volunteer "Greeters" who love to welcome new members with a warm comment on their profile comment walls. It means a lot to new members to be made to feel welcome in person.
However I don't want my Greeters to have moderator powers. The Greeters will LOVE being notified of new members and it will make their job easier...thanks for making this module, will check it out tonight!
I'll simply clone a new quota off of regular members, and call it Greeters and put the greeters into it, then activate the module for that quota.

The only issue is that a couple of the Greeters are "Patrons" already in my Patron quota (members who make a large site donation), which puts a 'Patron' banner on their profile page...so I wouldn't want to remove them from that quota to put them in a greeter quota...they'd lose their 'Patron badge of honor'. This is always an issue with the system whereby members can only be in one quota, but we can't have it all. The only solution for that might be to be able to activate the autofollow module for members by an admin-only checkbox in their profile settings instead of by putting them into a quota...but I don't really expect to get that feature. I am grateful for the new module!

Hmm...i wonder now...could I clone a Patron Quota and call it PatronGreeter, and set BOTH the Greeter and the PatronGreeter quotas to be activated for the autofollow module?


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...just another satisfied Jamroom customer.
Migrated from Ning to Jamroom June 2015

Strum - The module is in the marketplace now. Also, quotas don't come into it. Just configure the module with a comma seperated list of the Greeters' profile IDs and check the checkboxes as appropriate.
hth


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Paul Asher - JR Developer and System Import Specialist

AWWWWWWWESOME!!! Perfect! :D :D :D


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...just another satisfied Jamroom customer.
Migrated from Ning to Jamroom June 2015

I'm so doing my happy dance right now!!! This looks like it is exactly what we want. I will let you know how it works for us...

I also want to say that this is a great example of why I'm glad we moved to JR.... The JR staff are so responsive and I love the community here.... very friendly towards us "accidental techies".

thank you!
Deb
updated by @icw: 02/11/16 02:45:07PM

The only issue is that a couple of the Greeters are "Patrons" already in my Patron quota (members who make a large site donation), which puts a 'Patron' banner on their profile page...

So, strum, how do you put the patron banner on their profile page? Do you do that automatically when you add them to the Patron quota? Or do you do that by hand? Can I look at an example? It's a great idea....

Deb

Deb, I used the 3rd party-created "Profile Badges" module by b360, in the marketplace for sale.
Ken Rich helped me understand it a bit, and I made my own little profile page banner label to use for certain quotas i created.
Unfortunately, the banners are rather small and only show underneath that persons profile page member image- they don't show up on their avatar site-wide. I found that part of the coding to be too complex for me to achieve. Here's what I wound up with (which is kinda 'good enough' though not ideal in my view):


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...just another satisfied Jamroom customer.
Migrated from Ning to Jamroom June 2015
updated by @strumelia: 02/11/16 02:49:14PM

I still wish we could have a simpler way of putting little custom corner emblems on people's avatars site-wide. I actually had to MANUALLY add a yellow star to my 6 moderator avatars so that members could see they were moderators when posting. That's important when members are being asked to stop arguing, also important when you have members who 'act like' moderators when in fact they are simply blowhards. lolol
Thus, my own avatar on my site looks like this, with a star added by hand:





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...just another satisfied Jamroom customer.
Migrated from Ning to Jamroom June 2015
updated by @strumelia: 02/11/16 02:55:04PM

That looks very nice... thanks for the tip, stumelia...

Paul, I'm a bit confused- does this module set it so that a 'greeter' would simply be notified that a new user has joined the site...or does it ALSO automatically set them so they are 'following' the new user?
For example, my current moderator's settings are set to notify them of new users, but it doesn't go ahead and set the 'follow' button for the new user, in either direction.


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...just another satisfied Jamroom customer.
Migrated from Ning to Jamroom June 2015

Where did you set that, Strumelia? I would like people to be notified without necessarily being followed in either direction as well.... And i don't want to give them all the powers of a profile admin or a master admin.

Deb

PS and thanks for the tip about the badges!
updated by @icw: 02/12/16 09:45:37AM

Not sure what your question is Deb, but- in looking at the two marketplace screenshots for the "Auto-Follow" module Paul mentions above, it looks like the module settings do just that- create an 'auto Follow'...which of course would then trigger a notification. But I suspect you and I are looking for the notification 'without' the automatic Follow. I don't think my site Greeters are interested in 'following' all new members- that would accumulate to hundreds/thousands. They just to know when a new member joins and have a link so they can go greet them on their profile page Comment Wall.
Paul, correct me if Im not interpreting the module correctly.


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...just another satisfied Jamroom customer.
Migrated from Ning to Jamroom June 2015

I misunderstood your previous post, Strumelia... I thought you had figured out a way for greeters to get notification 'without' the automatic Follow.

That's still the goal since, as you said, I don't think our greeters want all new members to follow them.

Hi Deb - Maybe if your greeters set their profile settings to 'Approve Followers'? They will still get the new member emails but can then reject them as followers.


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Paul Asher - JR Developer and System Import Specialist

Good idea, Paul. I will try that.

Just tried that.... didn't seem to work... the new member still automatically followed the greeter....

Deb - Get the latest AutoFollow module from the marketplace (V1.1.1). I've added in an option to set (force) approval.


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Paul Asher - JR Developer and System Import Specialist

Great! I think it's working... I tested it out.... I'll let you know how it works for our network hosts.