Notes vs Private Notes vs messages...??

Strumelia
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I'm a little confused about something.
On Ning networks, there is a feature called "Notes" which is described as "Create new pages of text on your Ning Network, like an FAQ section or an About page.". Personally, I've never used it, though others surely have.

Then I notice in the JR Ning Bundle there is a module included called Ning Notes...which I assume is a module designed to receive the "notes" from Ning networks.

However... JR also offers a separate module (not in the Ning bundle) called "Private Notes"- described as "Adds Private Notes to your system, allowing users to send Private Notes to admins and followers."

Is there a confusion between the term Notes and Messages ? I see "Private Notes" as being private messaging system between all the members of my JR site, right? OR is there a private messaging system already included in my JR Core already?

I have been assuming that none of the private messages in member inboxes on my Ning network are going to import over the JR...correct? (I can kinda understand that, as a privacy issue). BUT do I need to buy the Private Notes module in order to have a private messaging system on my JR site?

OR is it in the Core already somewhere? Or..are the JR Team thinking that the "Notes" in Ning were actually private messages..?

Sorry I hope I've explained this enough not to simply confuse things for even more. =8-*


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brian
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Strumelia:
I'm a little confused about something.
On Ning networks, there is a feature called "Notes" which is described as "Create new pages of text on your Ning Network, like an FAQ section or an About page.". Personally, I've never used it, though others surely have.

Then I notice in the JR Ning Bundle there is a module included called Ning Notes...which I assume is a module designed to receive the "notes" from Ning networks.

Yes - this is something totally specific to Ning. Honestly I'm not sure why we have a Ning Notes module - I'm guessing Ning Notes would likely "line up" better with Jamroom's "pages" module.

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However... JR also offers a separate module (not in the Ning bundle) called "Private Notes"- described as "Adds Private Notes to your system, allowing users to send Private Notes to admins and followers."

Is there a confusion between the term Notes and Messages ? I see "Private Notes" as being private messaging system between all the members of my JR site, right? OR is there a private messaging system already included in my JR Core already?

No - Private Notes is the only messaging system between users that we have for Jamroom.

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I have been assuming that none of the private messages in member inboxes on my Ning network are going to import over the JR...correct? (I can kinda understand that, as a privacy issue).

I'm not sure about this - Paul might know.

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BUT do I need to buy the Private Notes module in order to have a private messaging system on my JR site?

Yes...

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OR is it in the Core already somewhere? Or..are the JR Team thinking that the "Notes" in Ning were actually private messages..?

Sorry I hope I've explained this enough not to simply confuse things for even more. =8-*

It's not part of the Jamroom Core - it's the "Private Notes" add on module that you'd want to add to your site if you want private messaging support for user to user..

Hope this helps!


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brian
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I've just looked through a JSON Ning export and don't see any private messages, so I think you're right that those are not exported.


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Strumelia
Strumelia
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Yes it helps explain it perfectly thank you!

My Ning archive insisted on including a "notes" .json file despite my not having any Ning Notes to download. So it downloaded a Notes .json file and then when i dutifully clicked on the "Download media" after the json file finished, it told me there was no media to download for Notes. But I still had to get the Notes json file before I could move onto the next feature anyway, and then all was well.

OK no problem at all with buying the Private Notes module- I assume it will play nice with the NingBundle.

However I look at the marketplace screen shots for Private Notes and I do notice with dismay that it appears the text boxes used for these member-to-member messages do not support wysiwyg text editing or attaching images or html or hotlinks or video embeds... they look like plain plain text only... like DOS messages (just kidding...sort of).

Is it possible to at some point in the not too distant future to add rich text editor to the JR Private Notes feature?
My members would be pretty disappointed in that respect- they use private messaging a LOT and are always sending pix and clips and hotlinked web images back and forth. They are passionate about their friendships on my network. I think we may again be seeing the follower vs friend dynamic at work here.

Thanks so much!


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Strumelia
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brian:
I've just looked through a JSON Ning export and don't see any private messages, so I think you're right that those are not exported.

I can tell you certainly that the Ning Archiver has never including private INBOX messages. It makes sense to me and is something I think may be just as well. I'm fine with letting my members start fresh in that respect. They probably never clear out their SENT folder anyway! lolol


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paul
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From what I've seen of Ning archives so far yes there is a notes archive but often nothing in it. When there is something in it it just seemed to me that they were like notes to oneself. So that is why I built a simple module for them called NingMemo.
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soaringeagle
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11 years ago
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out of every site ive only seen 1 ever use the notes feature and it was used as an admin 'whats going on" type thing
it was a stupid feature ..absolutely worthless
the idea was sorta like status updates but more persistent so you can say my cat had kittens aned instead of it disapearing off tyhe activity feed or being overwritten with your next update it was there forever...
i put it on my site asked my members if they thougyt it was worthwhile and not 1 saw any point in it so it wasremovved in under an hour

just another case of ning bloat adding stuff noone used or needed


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Strumelia
Strumelia
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I agree that ning "notes" are pretty useless. Ning "Pages" has been way more useful.
However, because the 2.0 Ning Archiver insists that we download the .json for the Notes feature even if we have no 'notes' on our network, we have to include a .json file for notes in our archives in order to continue on to download the next feature. I just left it in my archive (with no media folder for notes) and it didnt cause any problems when my archive was imported into JR. But I wonder if there would be errors if Brian didn't have a JR Notes module in place during import. Best leave things as they are if they aint broke, right? Bigger issues to be dealt with right now. :)
My intent with this thread was simply to ask about the terms/names for things causing some confusion, and whether I still need to purchase the private notes module...which i definitely will later on. Thanks for the answers that clarified it for me.

Now my only remaining question again is this:

However I look at the marketplace screen shots for Private Notes and I do notice with dismay that it appears the text boxes used for these member-to-member messages do not support wysiwyg text editing or attaching images or html or hotlinks or video embeds... they look like plain plain text only... like DOS messages (just kidding...sort of).

Is it possible to at some point in the not too distant future to add rich text editor to the JR Private Notes feature?
My members would be pretty disappointed in that respect- they use private messaging a LOT and are always sending pix and clips and hotlinked web images back and forth. They are passionate about their friendships on my network. I think we may again be seeing the follower vs friend dynamic at work here.

...Hoping...?


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soaringeagle
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they are looking into adding the wysiwyg editor to all textarea feilds i would hope that includes the notes

just a note however
if they dont..we can
it will take some figuringout but thats the beasuty of this you can edit the templates the code you can create yoir own modules to do what youneed it to do
your not stuck dependent on them to do every lil thing

though this is on theier todo list according to brian so ..not to worry

i agree tho its important
u can use bb tags like
[img]url[/img]
but not everones used tothem and its so much more convinient and user freindly to click a button

but evenwith that easy to add biutton u still have toexplain tye process of adding a pic to a post nearly daily


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Strumelia
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I still need the JR team answer on this question....thanks though.


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brian
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Strumelia:
Is it possible to at some point in the not too distant future to add rich text editor to the JR Private Notes feature?
My members would be pretty disappointed in that respect- they use private messaging a LOT and are always sending pix and clips and hotlinked web images back and forth. They are passionate about their friendships on my network. I think we may again be seeing the follower vs friend dynamic at work here.

Thanks so much!


yeah - this is something we will likely get in place - to be honest Ning users seem to be the first group of users that we have worked with that really want WYSIWYG everywhere, so it's something we will be working on getting support in our modules. It's not a hard change, I just want to get the Groups functionality all working before I move on to more cosmetic changes like this.

It will for sure be a config option that you can enable though.

Hope this helps!


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Strumelia
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Awesome! Thanks so much Brian! :D


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soaringeagle
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perfect
once again..u guys rock


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Ken Rich
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Oh no... I just noticed something about private notes. You only seen to be able to message one person at a time. One doesn't seem to be able to choose multiple recipients from your followers list, or your complete followers list at once.

That is an essential feature to some of my members. On Ning, instead of followers, we had a friends list, and one could message all of their friends about something that was going on.

Here (unless I'm mistaken) it seems one would have to repeat the same message hundreds of times to reach all of one's followers - please tell me that's not the case.

Also agree, a WYSIWYG editor is definitely essential.


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brian
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Ken_Rich:
That is an essential feature to some of my members.

I get the feeling that every feature in the existing Ning is "absolutely" essential :)

Of course it will take time before every item you want is included in Jamroom. If every single feature is absolutely essential my worry is that you'll never launch until we have 100% coverage for even the smallest detail that Ning might provide, and that could take some time - and some may not be doable.


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Strumelia
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This is a generalization, but I think a whole bunch of Ning networks are centered around the enriched interactions BETWEEN members rather than the members all being followers of the main site entity or owner.
That basic difference means that there are many features with interactive touches that may indeed be non-essential on a site that is mostly giving out information, media, and updates to its members, ...but those same details may in fact be really needed on a site where MOST activity involves members who are used to interacting/sharing actively between each other in a highly social manner.
I think most of us Ning-ites realize that not 'everything' can or will be duplicated in the out-of-the-box JR package. But unless the basic layout/organization and function feels very familiar as soon as the modules and core and skin are installed, then inevitably you'll be getting a whole lot of "But where is the...? and where is the...?" every time a ning person comes poking around looking for a new home. Indeed, I would totally understand if you want to just wash your hands of the lot of us at some point! =8-*


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brian
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Strumelia:
This is a generalization, but I think a whole bunch of Ning networks are centered around the enriched interactions BETWEEN members rather than the members all being followers of the main site entity or owner.

That's exactly how Jamroom functions. For example - you have "followed me" and I have followed you back - that does not keep you from following any other user on the system, or posting an activity update to them, etc.

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That basic difference means that there are many features with interactive touches that may indeed be non-essential on a site that is mostly giving out information, media, and updates to its members, ...but those same details may in fact be really needed on a site where MOST activity involves members who are used to interacting/sharing actively between each other in a highly social manner.
I think most of us Ning-ites realize that not 'everything' can or will be duplicated in the out-of-the-box JR package. But unless the basic layout/organization and function feels very familiar as soon as the modules and core and skin are installed, then inevitably you'll be getting a whole lot of "But where is the...? and where is the...?" every time a ning person comes poking around looking for a new home. Indeed, I would totally understand if you want to just wash your hands of the lot of us at some point! =8-*

I think there is still a lot of misunderstanding on what Jamroom does, how it functions, and what it is designed for. Jamroom pretty much does everything that Ning does, it just does it in a different way sometime.

For example, our core users (over 11+ years) have never wanted WYSIWYG editors all over the place (mainly because from a style perspective giving your users the ability to make 50pt BOLD RED text tends to NOT look good), so to meet those needs we are going to have to modify every where that textareas are present - it's not something we can do in an hour.

Jamroom has been designed to be more like a "super" twitter - for example, when I am going to post something in Twitter I don't get a WYSIWYG editor. As I am typing I will see "content" be linked in (i.e. if I type a profile name, it will popup) - JR does this as well. With the editor turned on though, you are NOT going to get this (since we can't run custom JS INSIDE the editor), so some of the "interaction" may seem missing, when it's really not.

What I'm getting at is that Jamroom has a TON of "interactive" touches, but to a Ning user if it is NOT in the WYSIWYG editor, then it doesn't exist - that's something we are trying to work around and find a way to expose many of these features you feel are missing from Jamroom.

At it's heart I can say for sure that Jamroom is way more flexible and powerful than anything I've seen yet on Ning, but it may not do it the same as Ning. That leads you (and other Ning users) to say Jamroom doesn't support it, and we don't "get" how social works, etc.

Not sure if that helps, but I just continue to see mis-information about what Jamroom does and want to be sure you understand what Jamroom is (and is not as well).

Thanks!


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Strumelia
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Thanks Brian, I am trying to understand all these issues better and most importantly, how they might translate for me and other Ning refugees in everyday use. I appreciate your explanations, as always! :)

All that said, I should clarify though that while my network members will almost never do stuff like posting 50pt bold red text in their posts, what they WILL do every day is embed online images from urls or from their computer, youtube videos, gifs, etc, viewable right in their posts by using the editor features. That's why i feel they may be pretty upset to lose that ability and (correct me if I'm wrong here) only be able to have hot links in their posts instead. Maybe I'm not understanding what you meant by your super-twitter description of content being linked?
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"What I'm getting at is that Jamroom has a TON of "interactive" touches, but to a Ning user if it is NOT in the WYSIWYG editor, then it doesn't exist - that's something we are trying to work around and find a way to expose many of these features you feel are missing from Jamroom.
At it's heart I can say for sure that Jamroom is way more flexible and powerful than anything I've seen yet on Ning, but it may not do it the same as Ning. That leads you (and other Ning users) to say Jamroom doesn't support it, and we don't "get" how social works, etc. "

Yes I hear you!


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brian
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Strumelia:
That's why i feel they may be pretty upset to lose that ability and (correct me if I'm wrong here) only be able to have hot links in their posts instead. Maybe I'm not understanding what you meant by your super-twitter description of content being linked?

Your users will not lose anything - Jamroom already supports this. For example I just embeded a YouTube video on my timeline:

https://www.jamroom.net/brian/action

In the WYSIWYG editor your users can click on the "Embed" button and pretty much embed anything they want. Any URL they enter will be hotlinked to. If you have the URL scan module installed, and a users pastes a URL in, it will also turn into a "click and play" link - i.e.:

Easy Install Jamroom 5 CMS into cPanel server

(all I did was paste in a link for that).

I'm not aware of anything that is needed in the current setup that is not already supported.

Hope this helps!


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Ken Rich
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Well, in the end with the internal messaging, it boils down to practical issues.

Will the guy who did my Top 20 quit, because now he can't notify all his followers that the new list is out, and give a play be play on this months picks?

Will he or anyone else feel "isolated" from the other members because they can't communicate, unless it's to just one person at a time?

Even Facebook allows you to put multiple recipients in a message, so it's not so much a "Ning" thing, as it is an essential feature of any network where social interaction is expected.


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brian
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I hear you :) I'm not saying we won't expand Jamroom's capabilities (because of course that's what we're constantly doing) I just want to be sure it's really needed. If a user wanted to send messages to a group of users, would the Profile groups module fill that need? With it private, you in effect have a private group of users that can message each other - would that functionality be duplicated by expanding private notes (or maybe a new module)?

One of the quickest ways to confuse users is having multiple ways of accomplishing the same thing - they then wonder which way they should use.

Let me know if that makes sense.

Thanks!


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Strumelia
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"Your users will not lose anything - Jamroom already supports this. For example I just embeded a YouTube video on my timeline: "

I just went to my profile here and I cannot figure out HOW to embed a YT video or an image intop my timeline. I posted a YT link and it was indeed turned into a hotlink. But I posted the YT embed code and got nothing. Can you tell me how to put a viewable YT vid onto my own timeline on my profile here, just like you just did as an example?- sorry, I only get a plain box and the YT embed code doesn't do anything. =8-\ ?


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Strumelia
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Also-
Brian, I may be incredibly dense here, but I'm not seeing what you are referring to here:

"In the WYSIWYG editor your users can click on the "Embed" button and pretty much embed anything they want. Any URL they enter will be hotlinked to. If you have the URL scan module installed, and a users pastes a URL in, it will also turn into a "click and play" link - i.e.:
Easy Install Jamroom 5 CMS into cPanel server
(all I did was paste in a link for that).
I'm not aware of anything that is needed in the current setup that is not already supported. "

Here are screenshots of the reply boxes within forum discussions. I don't see an 'embed button' or the other ways of reply-with-quote, editing, adding, linking to a post, embedding inline images or videos...
What am i not 'getting'?
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Strumelia
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and here:
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Ken Rich
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Strumelia:
"Your users will not lose anything - Jamroom already supports this. For example I just embeded a YouTube video on my timeline: "

That functionality seems to exist but it's not something we or our members would know about "intuitively". One almost needs a tab above the comment box to explain such things.

Then I'm still not sure how a person could upload a picture from their computer, or bold some text without HTML coding knowledge, so despite the inline embedding functionality - I still prefer traditional edit boxes.


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Ken Rich
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Strumelia:

I'm not aware of anything that is needed in the current setup that is not already supported. "

I don't see an 'embed button' or the other ways of reply-with-quote, editing, adding, linking to a post, embedding inline images or videos...
What am i not 'getting'?


It doesn't look like you have the jrembed module installed for one thing. That is the absolute "bomb". I am really impressed by it's functionality.

All the content on my network is listed and easily embedded, plus picture uploading, and to top it off I can add an interactive "Google Map" to a post - very sophisticated and easy to use.

The quick code embed we had in Ning is gone but when you switch to HTML view, it is the same thing - embed any external code.


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Ken Rich
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brian:
I hear you :) I'm not saying we won't expand Jamroom's capabilities (because of course that's what we're constantly doing) I just want to be sure it's really needed. If a user wanted to send messages to a group of users, would the Profile groups module fill that need? With it private, you in effect have a private group of users that can message each other - would that functionality be duplicated by expanding private notes (or maybe a new module)?

One of the quickest ways to confuse users is having multiple ways of accomplishing the same thing - they then wonder which way they should use.

Let me know if that makes sense.

Thanks!

Hi Brian,

While the ability within Groups for one member to message other members should be an option, some will not enable it to avoid spamming, and it should probably be restricted to group admins and those they assign the ability to (for the same reason).

I would argue that the described functionality in groups, would be no substitute for the ability to have multiple recipients in the "global messaging system". My argument is strictly based on ease of use and functionality.

Functionally, it is a workable system to have "followers" or "friends". People are used to such lists, it's not something one has to explain to them.

It's also intuitive, that they should be able to communicate with their friends and followers both individually, and with multiple recipients - it's kind of "expected" thanks to not just Ning, but Facebook, et al. Even ReverbNation allows one to send a "blast" to all your followers.

Expecting someone to join your group, just to be able to acquire that functionality is not really intuitive. For example, if the group was called "Join Here so we can Communicate" then perhaps it would work somewhat, but if the group is created specifically for those who enjoy "Underwater Basket Weaving" (for example) lol then it does nothing to help me send a blast to my friends and followers who are on a "global" level.


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Strumelia
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"It doesn't look like you have the jrembed module installed for one thing. That is the absolute "bomb". I am really impressed by it's functionality.
All the content on my network is listed and easily embedded, plus picture uploading, and to top it off I can add an interactive "Google Map" to a post - very sophisticated and easy to use.
The quick code embed we had in Ning is gone but when you switch to HTML view, it is the same thing - embed any external code."

Ken- Ah!- I had no idea I ought to look for such a module outside the JR'Ning Bundle'. I am a bit hesitant to install anything that for all I know might duplicate or conflict with modules being developed right now for ning users. Thanks!- I will seek it out immediately and install it and see how things look or function differently! Will report back here afterwards. :)

Hmm, but that won't solve how do I embed a video in my profile Timeline here, like Brian just demonstrated can be done....?


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Ken Rich
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Strumelia - I just made a test blog and embedded 4 different things almost instantly as examples.

A playlist from the network, I uploaded a picture from my harddrive, I embedded a youtube video, and installed a Google map.

There are tons of stuff you can embed - everything on the network can be installed with a click. Or external codes with the HTML editor.



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Strumelia
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OK, so I installed the "Editor Embedded Media" module, and the "Editor Image Upload" module. I assume that's what you were referring to Ken?
I now see how to click on the little video film icon to embed videos and images alike into posts. Thanks!
Unless I set them to allow only the user's OWN media to embed (like the user's site videos, pictures, audio clips, etc... then if instead i set it to allow one to embed any media on the site from any user, I then run into the same arrow navigation issue- I'm presented with several hundred pages of user videos or photos, but no way to navigate except by arrows forward or back ONE page at a time. Ok, so let's just put that arrow navigation issue aside again...
I reset the modules to allow only the user's own media to be embedded, which meant no hundreds of pages to sift through from all users.
The pasting the simple DIRECT Youtube url thing worked fine, so people could do that.

But...
I ran into the same error issue Isleander is having in playing some video/audio files- but I'll post that over on his thread about the issue...


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Strumelia
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11 years ago
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Yes, I figured out to go to the various areas to 'enable embedding' in different features of my site. Thank you Ken! I think that'll work, especially if that arrow/pagination navigation frustration can be overcome site-wide.
Hmmm...a new rock group?: Arrow Pagination Navigation Frustration ? ;D


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updated by @strumelia: 12/29/14 09:23:54AM
Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
926 posts
Hi Stumelia,

A search upgrade is in the works for the embed tool, that's already been reported and I believe Michael is on it.

What you are able to embed is also controlled by your iframe module (can restrict for safety) and go to your core settings quota config (see screenshot) and enable more things if you want more functionality. Check all boxes and add to your allowed HTML tags. Then your editor will be more powerful.

Example:span,strong,em,a,b,u,i,p,div,br,img,h1,h2,h3,h4,pre,hr,ul,ol,li,sub,sup,iframe,src,no scrolling

Be advised, some things like src reduce security, but members with legitimate content don't like it being "stripped" in the editor, so it's a "trade-off".

Also, the image uploader and Google maps work with that tool. Image uploader is easy, but setting up the maps is "tricky". However, Steve x has lots of good documentation on it and is very helpful.

I muddled my way through it, and now I can put a map anywhere with the embed tool and maps are "built -in" to my events by design.
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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
926 posts
The iframe module also effects what can be embedded. You can allow some iframes but not all, to have functionality without security issues.
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Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
11 years ago
3,603 posts
O man, will have to look into this more tomorrow- thank you! :)


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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
926 posts
No problem - this is another example of where even the edit box you get is highly configurable.

When I first started Jamroom 5 I was disappointed by the edit boxes, because I didn't have mine set-up right and it stripped my codes, plus didn't allow iframes.

Now that I've gone through a "learning curve" I have a super powerful edit box. It was all along, I just couldn't see it because people like us are used to getting what's available handed to us already assembled "out of the box".

The editor here is more like one of those toys you buy a child for Christmas, that you have to buy seperate options for, and then have to spend half the day putting it together lol

Worth it in the end though, because fully decked out it is way better than Nings.


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brian
@brian
11 years ago
10,148 posts
Just to add to what Ken has posted, don't look here on Jamroom.net for examples of these features - we purposefully have them turned off (you can manually enter an embed code if you know what you want).

Thanks!


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Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
11 years ago
3,603 posts
Yes, understood Brian.


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brian
@brian
11 years ago
10,148 posts
A quick follow up on this discussion about sending a private note to all followers:

I don't think it would be hard to update the module to allow you to select the users you want to send to - however, it would send EACH user a Private Note FROM your as if it was the only note sent (i.e. if they replied to the private note it would come back to you only - there would be no "group reply").

If that works we can get a ticket open to begin work on that. If it must have some sort of group level messaging, then a new module would have to be developed to support that as the current Private Notes module does not have a DB design that works in a "group" way.

Thanks!


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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
926 posts
Hi Brian,

Awesome...

That would be big step forward and quite enough to satisfy me, especially with he addition of an edit box option.

Do followers receive timeline updates kind of like Twitter? If not, what is the current use of "followers" besides providing the option of restricting messaging?

Thanks...


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brian
@brian
11 years ago
10,148 posts
Ken_Rich:
Hi Brian,

Awesome...

That would be big step forward and quite enough to satisfy me, especially with he addition of an edit box option.

Do followers receive timeline updates kind of like Twitter? If not, what is the current use of "followers" besides providing the option of restricting messaging?

Thanks...

I'm not sure what you mean - can you clarify? If you mean does sending a user a private note post a timeline update, then no - they get an email letting them know they have received a new private note (unless they have disabled the new private note notification in their notification preferences).


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Strumelia
Strumelia
@strumelia
11 years ago
3,603 posts
brian:
I don't think it would be hard to update the module to allow you to select the users you want to send to - however, it would send EACH user a Private Note FROM your as if it was the only note sent (i.e. if they replied to the private note it would come back to you only - there would be no "group reply").

That would work for me just fine.

Quote: If that works we can get a ticket open to begin work on that. If it must have some sort of group level messaging, then a new module would have to be developed to support that as the current Private Notes module does not have a DB design that works in a "group" way.

To me personally I don't have that 'send message to all members of the group' option turned on in ning anyway EXCEPT within the private Moderators Group...due to its huge appeal to spammers and members trying to market themselves on the sly. I can live without it speaking for myself. I suspect Soaring Eagle would probably WANT it- but then he seems to be taking a week long nap at the moment. ;)


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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
926 posts
brian:
I'm not sure what you mean - can you clarify? If you mean does sending a user a private note post a timeline update, then no - they get an email letting them know they have received a new private note (unless they have disabled the new private note notification in their notification preferences).

I was expecting it to work like that. Also, I understand there is an option to allow members to message any other member, or only those who are following, based on a global admin setting.

What I'm wondering is, does the followers list serve any other function, besides providing an option to restrict messaging.

For example, can followers ALSO receive your timeline updates like Twitter? Can they be sent "Newsletters" Reverbnation style, or content shares like Ning had a share button where you could share a video (for example) with all your friends.

I can definitely live without all of that stuff - I'm just curious if anything else is currently tied to the followers list.


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brian
@brian
11 years ago
10,148 posts
Ken_Rich:
What I'm wondering is, does the followers list serve any other function, besides providing an option to restrict messaging.

Jamroom's followers works just like Twitter does. For example, if you are a follower of me here on Jamroom.net, when you view your OWN timeline on your page:

https://www.jamroom.net/indiegospel

you will see my activities - and all the actions by people you follow - this let's see you see what everyone is doing that you are interested in.

However, when I look at YOUR timeline, I just see your updates - not all your followers or my followers updates.

If you mention someone in your timeline by prefacing with a @ - i.e. @brian , then that person will get an email on your post letting them know that they have been "mentioned" by you (and again how they are notified depends on their notification preferences).

Jamroom tries to 100% follow the same followers model as Twitter. We feel it is the easiest, simplest and most "intuitive" social media friends/followers setup out there, which is why we've modeled Jamroom's on it.

Hope this helps!


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brian
@brian
11 years ago
10,148 posts
Also I should add we also support timeline hash tags - i.e. #awesome that will perform a hashtag search on the timeline.


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Ken Rich
Ken Rich
@ken-rich
11 years ago
926 posts
Cool beans... That's what I needed to know, but wasn't "getting"...


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