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When we set the "display" setting in form designer, who are we displaying to?

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Pre-set designs would be fine... for adjusting all elements of the public view of a profile page.

Your tweak (or design) for my Ninja-skin profile_sidebar.tpl file a while back allowed me to show profile data in the sidebar.

Today I could tweak your tweak with my very basic html knowledge.

It would be nice to have:
(1) a design showing how put the profile data at the top of the page in the main profile panel, and
(2) a design showing how to show different fields for different profiles for which different profile fields have been created.

Not all my profiles are person profiles. Many are profiles for service areas in my network, e.g. for forums and groups related to editing. I can create a different set of profile fields for the one profile in my Editing quota, but I can't (with my lack of coding knowledge) isolate the relevant fields for public display in just that profile and quota.

I wish we had something like the Sitebuilder tools for playing with the layout and published content of profile pages, while not interferring with the templates that determine what content is published in the profile page.

i.e. having changed a template to show profile data in the sidebar, could a front-end tool like Sitebuilder be used to shift that data into another area of all profile pages in the same quota?
updated by @researchcooperative: 08/29/15 06:20:15AM

Do tags added to profile pages appear in the tag cloud? On my site they don't

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Tag: good

Thanks, P.

Do tags added to profile pages appear in the tag cloud? On my site they don't

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OK... in the Tag Cloud page where all tags are shown, a tab for profiles does not appear. But when we click on an individual tag in the tag cloud, the results page will show a tab for profiles if the tag has been used for one or more profiles.

So profile tags seem to be half-way served by the system...

Thanks, P.

Do tags added to profile pages appear in the tag cloud? On my site they don't

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Did the update, but no obvious result at the tag cloud page. I notice though that the page still has a pre-Sitebuilder menu alongside the SB tab. Perhaps I have two problems here.

http://publishsciencenet.jamroomhosting.com/tags

Thanks, P.

When we set the "display" setting in form designer, who are we displaying to?

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Thanks. That should be useful for those who can work with templates.

What I need is a meta-tool or ap for generating and installing the templates needed to output profile data.

I'm with Michael in thinking that Jamroom should not be limiting how site owners/administrators choose to display profile data to the world.

What I'm suggesting here is that making selected profile information public is a key function of most social networks.

(It's what scientific journals do when they publish author details along with the article the authors wrote. Every scientific journal is in effect a social network, designed to spur interaction between authors and readers. There are thousands of such social networks both online and offline.)

So, I'm very sure that anything to make publishing profile data easier, faster, and intuitive for site owners and regular members would greatly expand the potential user base of Jamroom.

I'm not saying what member profile data should be selected for making public.

Each site owner will want to make different kinds of profile data public, and may only want to dictate the process for some profile data in each profile.

At the same time, members might be given the option of publishing further data about themselves, from within their profile data form. The meta-tool needs to give them control too, without asking them to master JR templates.

Perhaps the meta-tool/app proposed here is not something that can be developed by the JR team any time soon.

I'm willing to back my suggestion financially, on behalf of all JR users, if that helps. That's easier for me than trying to become a developer.

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ps Sorry - I suppose that this is all something I should be putting in the Suggestions forum.
updated by @researchcooperative: 08/20/15 06:47:16AM

Do tags added to profile pages appear in the tag cloud? On my site they don't

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The attached screenshots show:
(1) tags added to a profile page, and

(2)the tag cloud page with the automatically generated tabs for tags placed in different areas of the network. There is no tab for 'profiles'.

Does this mean that adding tags to profiles has no effect or use?

When we set the "display" setting in form designer, who are we displaying to?

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I'm still not sure what is meant by the word 'display" in the "form designer".

Are we displaying only to people who can add data? If so, why are there no comparable controls for displaying to let people see the data after it has been entered?

Ideally there would be four kinds of display setting:

1. For initial data entry (e.g. initial profile creation when a new member wishes to join the network), display this form field as part of an empty form to... [option list - people who may enter data]

2. Display initial completed form to... [option list - people who may see the form]

3. For later data entry (e.g. after a member application is accepted), display this form field as part of an update form to ...[option list - people who may enter data]

4. After later data is entered, display this field as part of completed update form to.... [option list - people who may see the form].


The present so-called "form designer" is actually a "form field designer", and there is no obvious process for building a whole form and displaying the completed form (with entered data) to different user groups.

Somehow, the "form field designer" needs to be integrated with an actual "form designer" that creates forms that users can pre-view before making public the data they have entered.

My feeling is that the basic form field and form building tools in JR are very versatile, but not yet organised into a user-friendly system for either administrators or ordinary network members.

I seem to have hit a wall here in my attempt to design forms for members to create and display profiles that can then be seen and searched by all visitors to the site.

For effective development of social networks, member profiles are the key element that allows members to interact socially.

The following steps or functions need to integrated into a seamless, obvious process for online social networks to flourish:

1. Profile form design,
2. Profile creation and updating, and
3. Profile display to other members (and/or all site visitors)
4. Profile search (the in-house system for searching profile content)
updated by @researchcooperative: 10/02/15 03:08:33PM

Shifted profile from one quota to another and it disappeared

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On further thought... it seems you are talking about the visibility of individual fields in the form designer. Perhaps I did overlook something there. I don't completely understand the field visibility settings.

In principle, I want almost all profile fields to be visible to all visitors and members who look at the website. For this, for each field that I want to be seen, can I use the setting [group] All users (including logged out)? If I use that setting, then I imagine that adding any of the other more specific options is redundant.

In any case, why should the visibility setting have any effect on the URL of a page? When we change visibility settings, it doesn't mean we want to delete the actual page and its URL. I would never imagine that a visibility setting would have such an effect.
updated by @researchcooperative: 08/15/15 04:33:01AM

Shifted profile from one quota to another and it disappeared

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In the Quota Config for the User Profile module, I have set the Default Profile Privacy to "Global - visible to everyone" for all quotas.

See next... my aim overall is to make most profile data visible to all visitors and members, apart from the private identity and contact data, and private comments, that are private between the member and the network administration and required for joining.
updated by @researchcooperative: 08/15/15 04:53:55AM

Shifted profile from one quota to another and it disappeared

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As a sequel to this, I've done it again, but in a different way.

My "Websites" profile is currently located in the Publishing Hub quota, and as above, this is not where I want it. It should be in the Websites Hub quota.

As a test, I did not move the profile to the other quota. I used the Modify tool to change data in the Profile information form, and I did just one thing: I changed the name in the field for PSN Department from a default value of "PSN Department" to "Websites", then saved. Then I went to the profile URL:

http://publishsciencenet.jamroomhosting.com/websites

and now it is gone. I see only the "This page does not exist" message and the option to create a new page in Site Builder.

So it seems that as soon as any detail of a profile is changed using a profile form, the entire profile disappears.

Presumably, if I had regular members who could figure out how to change their profile data, their profiles would also disappear. I'm glad to be working with a test site here!
updated by @researchcooperative: 08/14/15 05:02:47AM